BY Steve Rudman 12:36AM 03/09/2011

Nobody Asks But Us: Pac-10 Tournament queries

Questions about three losses to one team in one season, and the No. 3 vs. No. 6 seed.

Isaiah Thomas, just named first-team All-Pac-10 for the third consecutive year, will lead the Huskies in the Pac-10 tournament / Drew Sellers, Sportpress Northwest

Washington, a No. 3 seed, meets Washington State, a No. 6 seed, in the first round of the Pac-10 tournament Thursday night at the Staples Center in Los Angeles. Has Washington ever lost three games in a row to the same team in a single Pac-10 season, and how do No. 3 seeds fare against No. 6 seeds in the tournament?

It’s far simpler (and more fun) to answer questions like this instead of queries about Venoy Overton, who won’t play in the Pac-10 tournament due to a suspension arising from misdemeanor charges that he fed hootch to a minor (UW suspended him Tuesday and the Seattle Municipal Court will enter this fray on April 1).

Moving beyond what became a major distraction for the Huskies in 2010-11, Washington State took both games from Washington during the regular Pac-10 basketball season, winning 87-80 on Jan. 30 in Pullman, and 80-69 on Feb. 27 at Alaska Airlines Arena (Hec Edmundson Pavilion). And, yes, the Huskies have lost three in a row in the same season to a conference opponent. More than once, in fact, but not often.

Washington most recently dropped three straight to a single opponent in 2007 — to the Cougars no less, while WSU was in the midst of a school record, seven-game winning streak against the Huskies (2006-08). During the Pac-10 era (since 1978), the Huskies also lost three games to Arizona State in 1988-89, and three to UCLA in 1998-99, the third setback in each case occurring in the Pac-10 tournament.

As to the other part of the question, No. 3 seeds are 10-3 overall against No. 6 seeds in tournament play (1987-89, 2002-10), but the rub there, or here, (if you’re a Washington fan) is that UW earned the No. 3 seed based on overall conference record, and not how it performed over the past two weeks, which has been Barney Fife-like compared to the earlier part of its season.

The Huskies right now are playing more like a No. 7 or No. 8 seed, based on two conference losses at home in their past three games (after going 14-0 at home before the skid). So their No. 3 seed does not constitute an accurate reflection of their current placement in the conference food chain (obviously this could change in a hurry if the Huskies start hitting some shots).

Having said that, keep in mind that Washington won the 2010 Pac-10 tournament as a No. 3 seed, not even the lowest seed ever to win the tournament (that UW team entered the tournament riding a four-game winning streak). USC won the 2009 tournament as a sixth seed, Oregon took it in 2003 as a fifth seed and the Ducks won in 2007 as a fourth seed.

So there have been 12 Pac-10 championship games since the first one in 1987. Teams seeded third or lower have won just four  (33 percent).

Like the NCAA Tournament, which is usually rife with early-round upsets, the Pac-10 tournament has also been awash in jaw droppers.

The NCAA officially defines a major upset as one that features a five-seed disparity in the matchup. For Pac-10 purposes (this is arbitrary, but, hey, it’s our web site and we can do what we want), we’ll use a four-seed gap (due to the paucity of tournaments) to define a major upset. Biggest upsets in Pac-10 tournament play since the first conference tournament in 1987:

  • 1990: #8 Arizona state 83, #1 Oregon State 75 (gap of 7 seeds).
  • 2003: #8 UCLA 96, #1 Arizona 89, OT (7)
  • 2007: #8 California 76, #1 UCLA 69, OT (7)
  • 1987: #7 Oregon 72, #2 Arizona 63 (5)
  • 2003: #7 USC 79, #2 Stanford 74 (5)
  • 2006: #7 Oregon 84, #2 UW 73 (5)
  • 2010: #7 Stanford 70, #2 Arizona State 61 (5)
  • 2009: #6 USC 65, #2 UCLA 55 (4)

Since 1987, these are the upsets in which a three-seed gap was in place (there is a three-seed gap between Washington and Washington State):

  • 1988: #10 Washington 96, #7, Arizona State 82 (3)
  • 1988: #6 Washington State 83, #3 UCLA 71 (3)
  • 1989: #10 USC 94, #7 Arizona State 82 (3)
  • 1990: #6 Stanford 77, #3 California 61
  • 2002: #4 USC 89, #1 Oregon 78
  • 2009: #6 USC 79, #3 California 75
  • 2009: #4 Arizona State 75, #1 Washington 65

Washington has won the Pac-10 tournament as a No. 3 seed (2010) and lost it as a No. 1 seed (2009). Given their erratic play lately, especially the fact that they exhibited a stunning lack of confidence in themselves, the Huskies’ No. 3 seed simply may not mean very much.


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  • Friend_62

    Thanks for the article. Just quick heads up…Barrett Ruud is a linebacker, unless im unaware of a position change.