BY Art Thiel 08:29PM 10/17/2014

Thiel: Seahawks basically fired a star player

Harvin’s astonishing trade another example of coaches who think, or maybe hope, they know players, yet don’t. At least Seahawks were smart enough to accept a sunk cost.

Publicly, Percy Harvin seemed a cool dude. Privately . . . / Art Thiel, Sportspress Northwest

A track record of dysfunction was there in college at Florida and followed him to his first NFL team in Minnesota. But Seahawks coach Pete Carroll was proud of his success rate with some players who were deemed by others to be incorrigible or irredeemable. He gambled up to $67 million, $25.5 million guaranteed, plus three draft choices, that he could fix Percy Harvin.

But before you brand Carroll a naive egotist, save some bile for Mike Holmgren. The former Seahawks coach thought the same thing about Koren Robinson and Jerramy Stevens. Didn’t work out there, either.

Most successful coaches believe they are fixers. They believe their words, deeds and supportive environments bring out the best and minimize the worst in the high-maintenance thoroughbreds that electrify in the stadium and paralyze in the locker room/clubhouse.

Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn’t.

Ask Bill Belichick about Aaron Hernandez, Harvin’s old teammate at Florida. I’m not saying Harvin is anywhere close to Hernandez in terms of a character failure. I’m saying . . . a coach is like a parent, spouse, sibling, teacher or therapist. They think they know, they hope they know, but they can’t always know.

The specifics of Harvin’s short, partly spectacular and ultimately failed tenure in Seattle await disclosures from anonymous sources, and perhaps something on the record from retired fullback/active TV oracle Michael Robinson. But the conclusion is unmistakable as it is astonishing — the defending Super Bowl champions made a rare, controversial and league-startling trade at midseason because they thought they had a better chance to repeat by booting Harvin for nothing in return in 2014.

Basically, he was fired.

Dismissal came after two weird games even more absurd in hindsight. Against Washington, he had three touchdowns called back — a club record by two — because of penalties, including one on him, and against Dallas, he had three rushes and three receptions that totaled minus-one yard. That is a bewildering blizzard of non-production.

Theories vary. Carroll, who called Harvin’s acquisition “a no-brainer,” and offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell have owned up generically to needing to improve the game plan by Sunday in St. Louis. But they remain here, and Harvin does not, so that speaks to their conclusion.

This chart shows that, for all the excitement about Harvin’s undeniable skills, his Seattle production, thanks in part to injuries, was modest:

Date Opp. Rec-Yds Rush-Yds KOR-Yds Skinny
11/17/13 Minn 1-17 0-0 1-58 KOR first play as Seahawk
1/11/14 NO 3-17 1-9 0-0 Departed with concussion
2/2/14 Den 1-5 2-45 1-87 TD to open SB second half
9/4/14 GB 7-59 4-41 3-60 Long catch of 33 yards
9/14/14 SD 1-5 2-45 3-68 Long rush of 51 yards
9/21/14 Den 7-42 0-0 1-13 Long catch of 11 yards
10/6/14 Wash 4-27 2-7 0-0 3 touchdowns called back
10/12/14 Dal 3-0 3-1 5-142 Had long KOR of 46 yards
Totals 27-167 14-148 14-428  No regular-season TDs

There’s more going on than Harvin’s lack of production. The Seattle Times reported Friday night that sources said Harvin refused to re-enter the game late against Dallas Sunday. He missed 11 of the game’s final 17 snaps. That may partly explain Carroll’s confusing answer to a question Wednesday about Harvin’s absence, saying that some substitutions were “random.”

The Times also reported that Harvin and WR Doug Baldwin had an altercation during the week of practice leading up to the Aug. 26 preseason finale at Oakland. Baldwin was cut on the chin and both were excused from practice. Harvin did not travel to Oakland, which the team described as “a personal matter.”

The Times confirmed a tweet by a radio talk show host in Houston that claimed an NFL source told him Harvin punched fellow WR Golden Tate during Super Bowl week and left a black eye.

If the description of the episodes are accurate, the Seahawks were fortunate to get for him a fourth-round pick from the New York Jets, where a former Seahawks front office exec, John Idzik, is GM.

The deal has yet to be announced by either team until paperwork is completed and Harvin passes a physical. The pick reportedly could escalate to a second-rounder if Harvin meets performance levels, but in no way can the return come close to a wash in terms of franchise treasure expended.

The Harvin trade turned out to be a colossal bust. Yet they still won a Super Bowl. And to the Seahawks’ credit, they recognized a sunk cost and made a move, no matter the damage to reputation nor cost in fan disappointment and media mockery. They will also save $6.47 million this year in salary under the cap that can be rolled over into 2015 to help accommodate Russell Wilson’s pending mega-contract.

In hindsight, Carroll this week perhaps dropped a hint about the pending change when he answered with a gush about a question about two rookie receivers, Paul Richardson and Kevin Norwood, who drew much praise in training camp preseason but have barely seen the field in the regular season.

“Yes, we’d love to have those guys playing,” he said. “They practice like starters — they’re really top-notch guys and it kills me. Like last week, we had to sit both of those guys down (on the inactive list) and they’re worth playing and being out there.”

We’ll see what happens Sunday in St. Louis. But don’t expect a quick fix. The Seahawks offense hasn’t been spritely for a while. In 2013, a glance at the final seven games prior to the Super Bowl reveals that the Seahawks did not have a total offense figure of more than 330 yards in any game. Defense and special teams delivered so well that the mostly absent Harvin wasn’t missed.

The mushroom cloud produced at the Super Bowl, thanks in large part to two weeks of prep time and a voracious defense, obscured some shortcomings. As Carroll himself said this week, “We lost three games and five more could have gone either way.”

As 2014 rolls out, the flaws are compounded by injuries to TE Zach Miller, C Max Unger and an increasingly limited LT Russell Okung. Simply getting rid of Harvin and adding two rookies is not a resolution. It is a patch.

But at least Bevell, who was an assistant at Minnesota when Harvin was there, will no longer be troubled by trying to balance the egos and productivity of two well-paid stars in Harvin and RB Marshawn Lynch. All Bevell has to do is remake the rest of the playbook to outwit a defense that has 77 sacks, hits and tackles for loss on Wilson during his four career meetings with the Rams.

But that was then, and Sunday is now for a 3-2 Seahawks team that had to be rocked by the trade. The 1-4 Rams have their own problems, and the Seahawks would seemingly have one less.

But the outcome looms extra-large for the resume of Carroll. He has to coach his way out of his biggest mistake.


YourThoughts

  • Tim

    Great column and I believe Carroll will fix this and the team will rally big-time. Perhaps this will even be the catalyst for a 5-6 game win streak while they get healthy. And, correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t Lockette and Richardson faster than Percy? I’m not too worried about this, especially if he was indeed a locker-room cancer.

    • art thiel

      I’ve not used the word cancer until I know more.But obviously solutions were tried and failed before such a drastic move.

      Harvin wasn’t just fast. He has great hands, quickness and toughness. Really, one of a kind. Lockette and Richardson may be faster, but they are nowhere his caliber as a player.

  • 1coolguy

    the part that I don’t understand is given that Bevell was the OC in Minnesota where Harvin did have locker room issues why was he a proponent for picking up Harvin with the Hawks? it will be valuable to see what the rest of the story is as it leaks out down the road. in the meantime this has been a huge loss for the Seahawks having given up three draft choices including the number one plus paid this guy approximately 25 million 4 very very few plays. for Schneider this is a Bavasi like outcome which of course means nightmare.

    • art thiel

      Big gamble that didn’t work. $18M for eight games.

  • John M

    At first I was shocked as everyone was. But the more I thought about it, Percy was supposed to be dramatic frosting on a team built to be tough, durable, with impeccable fundamentals. Beyond whatever may have happened in the locker room he just didn’t quite fit, and now we can see speedy Richardson and tough Norwood who together cost a fraction of what Percy would get. I like this trade . . .

    • art thiel

      The shock of the trade hurt the Seahawks for a half Sunday, but the second half was a reminder of the success of a year ago. The OL is the biggest vulnerability at the moment.

      • John M

        Amen to that. I’d like to see nothing but linemen in the first half of the next draft . . .

  • Matt712

    Well this may explain why we saw B-Dubs (Brian Walters) in on so many unexplainable snaps last week.

    The trade, while jolting on the outset, shows the kind of solidarity I think few organizations (e.g. Schneider/Carroll/Allen) have. Its the same set(s) of cojones that didn’t budge for Marshawn’s holdout. That kind of strength weathers NFL parody best. Good job. Identity restored.

    • Its onlySports(DavidWakefield)

      A guy reacting to John Boyles article on Harvin posted we can never trust Pete C again…I couldnt help but write this in response.

      Trust Pete Carroll? Just read art Thiels column on the Harvin debacle.

      he refused to re~enter the Dallas game we were precariously ahead
      in(23~20 with little more than 3 minutes left). He didnt want to
      contribute to helping the Seahakws win that game because he chose to be
      disgruntled about some horse caca.

      Reports from ESPN say Percy expressed he was unhappy and wanted out of Seattle… apparently he was mentally shutting down as a Seahawk.
      I would trust if a player is making more than the president of the united states we could trust him to give us his best effort. I think the trust issues are completely on the player in this instance

      • Matt712

        Couldn’t agree more, IOS(DW). The Seahawks have a mantra that says, “I’m All In!”
        Not 90% in, not 99% in. ALL IN. That’s what Pete Carroll meant when he said, “I hope he gets it.” referring to Marshawn Lynch’s hold out. And that’s what this trade is about when a player (Harvin) decided he would remain on the sideline when his number was called.

        • Its onlySports(DavidWakefield)

          Betcha he was briefly ” All In” everytime he cashed one of those gaudy checks he was getting from the Hawks… Im in pure amazement that the guy draws double digits in millions yet didnt feel he should be held accountable… there was sadly no taming of the shrew in this one by Pete… he needs to spend some of that money he stole….er earned… on a damned good psychiatrist. I hear they have a few in New York.

          • art thiel

            $18 million for eight games, and he was petulant.

          • Its onlySports(DavidWakefield)

            No room for have my cake and eat it too people. He was petulant. Agreed.

        • art thiel

          Insubordination is a big deal in team sports. No coach takes it lightly.

      • jafabian

        I’m reminded of whey Scottie Pippen refused to re-enter a Bulls playoff game. This is when Jordan was still playing baseball. Kucoc was to take the last shot and Pippen was so insulted he wouldn’t go back in. The Bulls didn’t trade him, they stuck with him AND Kucoc and won three more championships. (once Jordan returned.)

        • Its onlySports(DavidWakefield)

          I suppose every once in a while a ship can be righted when you have prevalent anger control issues.Just watched Mortenson on ESPN report Wilson actually offered to try to help him thru this mess.Pete declined. The deal about the Pippen analogy is we dont know that he was giving black eyes or cut chins to his fellow forwards in various hissy fits or if you want to use Jordan as the QB no reports of implied violence towards him as noted by at least one reporter that Harvin lit after Wilson himself. Toxic is toxic and that seems to be the word used over and over. The sad thing is he has way too much talent not to get help but there is this thing called a mirror and apparently Percy doesnt own one….

          • art thiel

            All in is a nice slogan, but each player is his own one-man business.

            How Harvin dealt with the coaches is at least as important as teammates. Haven’t heard about that yet.

        • Its onlySports(DavidWakefield)

          I know this? If Harvin was an ” all in ” guy he would still be here and just might have been the difference in a win today in Ramville… its just so unfortunate. I wonder if Pippen demanded a trade? Sure wish they would have shipped him to the Sonics.

        • art thiel

          Every team, game and circumstance is different. Still don’t know what went on from Harvin’s side.

      • art thiel

        We still don’t know all the details, but Percy had friends on the team. Some will not like this, and Carroll has some navigation to do.

    • art thiel

      Hoping you mean parity . . . but this edition of the Seahawks does do harmony at the top well. We’ll see how the locker room gets managed after the split over Harvin.

  • PokeyPuffy

    This brings a recurring thought to mind: am I off base in thinking Bevel and Carol are not a good fit? Seems
    like the styles are not compatible at all, Bevel is into finesse and misdirection while
    Carrol is into raw line of scrimmage. With Harvin gone perhaps Bevel is next

    • art thiel

      Non issue.

      • M

        Wrong Art.. It is the whole issue.. a mid-level, poor performing manager versus an ultra competitive employee. They fired the wrong guy. Lynch doesn’t seem to like Bevel either. I don’t understand the redundant layer of ‘management’. Fire Bevel and make Cable the offensive coach.

        • art thiel

          Far as I’ve been able to tell, Carroll and Bevell are in sync. Do they agree on everything? No. Is there room for improvement? Yes. Together they obviously screwed up the Harvin integration into the Seahawks offense.

          Remember we still don’t know a lot of what went down between Harvin and the coaches.

  • Its onlySports(DavidWakefield)

    Scary….Its almost Halloween….A very important weekend in securing that W and
    going 1~0(and thus 4~2) for the SB Champs.The Hawks are going to do the Monstah Mash on the Rams….thus the collective effort~the “Rally Effect” will be
    positive this Sunday for Seattle. In February they will point to this day
    in October when they backed into an Missouri Alley and fought their way
    out in speaking of the transformation of this team from one in a tad bit
    of disarray to one becoming “Hungry ” again forcing them to come out
    swinging.
    Our young receivers certainly wont be working their way onto an opposing roster( say the Jets) through unfavorable behavior. Instead
    they will jump at the chance to help this club work towards the play
    offs and cement their place as a fluid player doing their part to get the team back on track……and influencing their future on this club as a viable option.The Vets on this club will slip into their roles and do their very best to impact the “Mash” and the W.

    I think this move will point this team in a much needed cohesive direction.
    Good Luck to Percy. I find it sad but now its time to indeed rally and get back that something to prove attitude that seemed to bode so well for them last year en route to their first Super Bowl win ever. Lets go Hawks. Prove it in Saint Louie this
    Sunday! Go Hawks!

  • Jamo57

    I posted this earlier in the week but I think it applies to this news as well.
    After the ‘Catch” that marked the ascendance of the 49ers into a dynasty and marked the decline of the Cowboys, it took the 49ers three seasons to win their second title, and then 4 more years to win their 3rd.
    After Magic arrived on the scene and won an NBA title in his rookie season with the Lakers, a little more than a year later Paul Westhead was kicked to the curb and the Lakers appeared to be imploding with Magic being perceived as having fired a coach. And Pat Riley was summoned from the broadcast booth to take over (a la Jerry Coleman)
    The point being a dynasty is not necessarily marked by a sustained ‘run’ or a steady climb to dominance, though it seems that way looking back decades later.

    Then again, they can be undone by the clash of egos and thinking that integral parts can be easily replaced (see Dennis Johnson and Gus Williams). But I think Pete and John deserve the benefit of the doubt as they’ve been successful by being shrewd in their personnel evaluations, from Lyndale White on down. They’ve got a ton of equity in my mind, having delivered the first world championship in these parts in 35 years. Trophies over Bobbleheads. Paying attention Ms?

    • canyudigit

      Good post. Interesting point you make.

      • mtd9904

        So the Mariners had Joey Cora bobblehead night? When?

        • Jamo57

          They were going to but A-Rod blew it for all involved. The crying dugout bobbleheads!

      • mtd9904

        also, did Joey Cora punch out a couple teammates?

    • art thiel

      Good observations, Jamo. Championships invite discord among holdover coaches and players. In the NFL, everything changed with the 1994 CBA. Free agency in football is almost guaranteed to tear down good teams by design.

      Everything fell together for Seattle last year, including the schedule and other teams’ problems. This year, not so much. Consecutive titles are easier in every other team sport.

      • Jamo57

        All true. Looking at the Pats, they won their first one, didn’t make the playoffs and then won two more consecutive titles. So 3 of Brady’s first 4 years as a starter, they won titles and nothing since, which is really interesting.

        And then there’s the Giants, who won two Super Bowl titles out of nowhere it seems. It would seem they had Eli and a different cast of characters each time (perhaps a few holdovers on each line). I would think Carroll and Schneider’s model is to keep a core and then add spare parts each year and see what happens. Hopefully with these youngins the Hawks can win two or three in the next 7-8 years.

  • Guest

    Some media outlets have referred to Percy as a cancer to the team and that immediately brought former Sonics playoff MVP Dennis Johnson to mind, who was privately referred to as a cancer to the club. Did the Sonics do the right thing trading him? The Sonics got worse and DJ got better, becoming a HOF player. Will that happen to DJ? Time will tell.

    If it’s true that Percy wanted to leave he sure took his time as a Seahawk for granted. The offense was centered around him and the club is prime for repeating as Super Bowl champ. This gives some great opportunities also for Richardson, Norwood and Lockette. I also think this makes the Jermaine the starter. And who knows, Carroll might have his eye on Kasen Williams. But ultimately this will free up room for Russell Wilson’s next contract. He’s the true MVP of the team.

    • jafabian

      This is my original post. Mods please delete.

  • jafabian

    When I read of some media outlets referring to Percy as a cancer I immediately thought of former Sonic Dennis Johnson who was privately called that by Sonics management after he was traded to Phoenix. Was that the right decision? After that trade Westphal only played one injury plagued season in Seattle, then one with the Knicks and retired. DJ went on to a HOF career for ten more years after being traded. Will Percy be Seattle’s next DJ? Or the next John Brisker? (Does this make Golden Tate the new Joby Wright?)

    If it’s true that Percy wanted out he certainly took his time with the Seahawks for granted as that the offense was centered around him and entering this season was in prime position to repeat as Super Bowl champ. This makes for great opportunities for Walters, Richardson, Norwood and Lockette. Even Kearse as he should be the new starter. (Hopefully Kasen Williams gets in on this action next season. Or John Ross? ) Ultimately though, the biggest benefit is the cap room it creates for Russell Wilson who’s the true MVP of the team.

    • RadioGuy

      Joby Wright? Now THERE’S a blast from the past. The name that came to my mind was Benoit Benjamin, another supremely talented player who left in his wake a number of coaches who thought they’d be able to convince him to give a s–t when every previous coach never did.

      Good move to unload Harvin, his attitude AND his contract for a draft pick. Hate to say I saw this coming, but…ahhh, what the hell: I saw this coming.

      • art thiel

        RadioGuy as Carnac. The world isn’t ready.

    • eYeDEF

      I don’t think that’s a fair comparison. Dennis Johnson was far more integral to the success of the championship Sonics than Percy ever was to this team. We saw what DJ did with his suffocating defense and performance that led to his finals MVP. Percy ran back a kickoff for a touchdown when the team was already creaming Denver.

      • art thiel

        Good point. The Seahawks didn’t need Harvin to win a Super Bowl,but it would have helped to keep Golden Tate instead.

        Harvin’s fight with Baldwin resulted in an informal suspension for the Raiders preseason game. That was a big deal that may have forced the decision to trade.

    • art thiel

      Lenny Wilkens called DJ a cancer, and the trade turned out poorly. There is some broad analogy, but we still don’t know enough.

  • Gerald Turner

    The play of the fill in DB’s is what matters most in the upcoming Rams game. IMO.

    • art thiel

      Turned out that was part of the story. Simon did not distinguish himself.

      • eYeDEF

        His penalties did, which was a part of the problem.

        • M

          NO Pass rush is the biggie!

  • canyudigit

    Thanks for the info Art. You are still da man(for my money). One had to know the back story would read something like this. As a tried and true Hawk fan, I feel duped by Harvin. Look forward to watching him try to pull this crap in NYC. Think about it Percy…Paul is paying you millions not to play for the Hawks. Wow. The only team you need right now, is a team of doctors. At least we can be thankful for a SB victory. What a sad,sad story.

    • art thiel

      I don’t think anyone should feel duped. It was a ballsy gamble on a guy with a track history of discord, and Carroll couldn’t change him. Not the first coach to make the mistake, not the last.

  • Big

    Next man up.

  • Big

    How much did the media know? Why were the Harvin incidents not reported? Seems odd to me. The silence before the storm.

    • ReebHerb

      …the radio jocks in the NW look at themselves as journalists but are closer to entertainers and part of the teams. Much is left unsaid in private lives unless it’s a wife bashing. We never heard much about Golden Tate helping out with home chores while he was in Seattle.

      • Big

        The affair?

      • eYeDEF

        Hearsay unless you’ve got proof. Why do you repeat it as if it’s fact?

        • ReebHerb

          I was cryptic. I’m not an investigative journalist making my living reporting the inside story. Do you have facts and videos that this is still a Cinderfella story without blemish. There is another story where an NFL player hit his wife and it was still reported she spit on him. If it makes you feel better, she didn’t spit on him.

          • eYeDEF

            What I’m saying is that without empirical proof there is no evidence that Tate ever helped out with home chores and it makes me wonder why people keep insisting on repeating things that have no factual basis and have been denied by all parties involved. The burden of proof is on those choosing to pass on the rumors. No investigative journalist can break a story without evidence.

      • art thiel

        Radio on-air hosts know its entertainment, not journalism. Never mix up that distinction. And the Tate rumor was long ago buried.

    • art thiel

      The Tate fight was Saturday before the SB when no access was allowed. The Baldwin fight was before the Oakland preseason game and the club lied when it said Harvin did not play because of a personal matter.

      To my knowledge, other than the fact that more passes for Harvin meant less for others generated some resentment, I don’t know that any knowledgeable media person sat on the story.

  • Centiorari

    He could be traded for any number of reasons, what is going to make that trade beneficial or not is the level of talent and play making ability that the team has at that position. If the Hawks, for instance, put Kearse in to replace Harvin it’s a downgrade, the same can be if the Hawks change their game plan to make up for a weaker receiver core. Best case scenario is that Richardson takes Harvin’s spot and is able to play up to 90% of his ability, although 10% less ability is a lot in the NFL, difference between the hall of fame and a good starter.

    Whether he was a cancer or not, unless the other players allowed themselves to play worse because of Harvin we will see less talent on the field, and if teams like the Jets are willing to adapt why are the Hawks giving up so easily with so much loss? Surely they could of traded him in the offseason, even with all the bad press he is talented enough to always get a 4th rounder.

    It will always be hard for the Seahawks to draw interest from WR free agency talent and first round draft receivers are a big risk at 70% under performance rate, so when we get a special WR we will always have some issues. WR league wide tend to be divas and problematic.

    We run the ball, that is who the Hawks are but the more dangerous receivers the team has the harder it is to just stack the box against the run, Lynch’s job just got harder than last year, no Tate, worse offensive line, and more determined opponents.

    Overall, I can’t help but think this whole matter could of been worked out or at least handled in a way to help this season.

    • art thiel

      We still don’t know the whole story. And as long as the Seahawks try to bury it, the worse it will get.

      • eYeDEF

        You think it will get worse if they try to bury his distraction to the team? He’s no longer on the team so wouldn’t the passage of time naturally make it get better?

  • Scott Crosser

    Too bad we didn’t keep GT. Oh yea we know the reason he’s not here. It’s interesting how all of you in the press are talking about interpersonal issues of players but ignored that huge story.

    • Diamond Mask

      I think that the Seattle press is a LOT different then say the New York press. My dental hygienist also does the teeth of a local TV sportscaster (who she refuses to name) who told her last week that there were tensions in the locker room and that he mentioned Harvin and Lynch specifically. I asked her why this reporter hadn’t reported that and she said that apparently he would never be allowed in the locker room again if he reported that kind of stuff. Which I thought was interesting.

      I think Percy Harvin is going to find the press in New York to be a different kind of animal and they’ll all be looking right at him.

      • art thiel

        If he reported the truth, he’d be allowed in. But he didn’t know enough to report it.

    • eYeDEF

      Why has photographic proof never surfaced of this alleged ‘huge story’? Are you really saying that not one person who recognized them out together didn’t think to snap a photo with their phone? Gossip sites would have paid big bucks for a photo like that and still would.

    • art thiel

      Eager to see your evidence.

      • Scott Crosser

        Well by that response you are indicating that you looked for the smoking gun and there is not one which I am very happy to hear !!! That lessens my confidence in the brain trust as GT is a very good receiver we let go however

      • Scott Crosser

        Art start with GT’s ex girlfriend. I am sure you can track her down. I am sure the pieces of the story can be put together. None of the press wants to bring it up…. which is fine but don’t act like it’s not true

  • Diamond Mask

    When I heard that he refused to go into the game in the fourth quarter last Sunday that was it for me. No, sorry buddy, that will not do. There is a hierarchy here and you’re not standing at the top of it. Do your job here or do it elsewhere.

    Obviously I’d have fired his butt too.

    • art thiel

      Fights can sometime be explained away. Not insubordination in a game. But I’d still like to hear Harvin’s version.

    • eYeDEF

      It wasn’t just against Dallas. Glazer reported that it happened in San Diego too, which explains why he was absent in the final 8:25 minutes of a game the team was trying to rally from behind to win and had Bryan Walters in there instead. Doesn’t sound like a team player at all and similar stories about how he would threaten his coaches with holding out of games in Minnesota are surfacing as well.

  • http://rip-ragged.com/dross Raymond Meyers

    One less diva in the locker room can only be a good thing.

  • mtd9904

    Before everyone starts praising the Hawks for “taking a stand.” This stuff dates back to last season so apparently it was all good until his play started to fall off.

    • art thiel

      Scored three TDs vs. WAS that didn’t count. Not sure his play fell. But the defenses were on to him.

  • mtd9904

    Percy Harvin 2-0 KO of Tate, UD vs. Baldwin.

    • art thiel

      Haven’t seen the ring cards.

  • Diamond Mask

    Die Spammer!