BY Art Thiel 09:18PM 11/16/2017

Thiel: Carroll commits to the run. Really?

Carroll says Seahawks are “not going to not run it,” a double negative that may have ironic meaning. Or something. Anyway, LT Tobin, 4th man up at LT, has never played the spot.

It’s getting hard to keep gang green together. / Dew McKenzie, Sportspress Northwest

SS Kam Chancellor and LT Duane Brown look to be out, FS Earl Thomas and RB Eddie Lacy look to be back, and the running game looks to be  . . . Up? Down? Sideways?

If you’re brave enough to spread apart your fingers on the hand over your face, you’ll get a look-see starting at 5:30 p.m. Monday against the Atlanta Falcons. Pete Carroll made a promise to you, spoken with all the conviction that a double-negative phrase can provide.

“We are going to run the football this week,” the Seahawks coach said Thursday. “We are not going to not run it. We are going to run the heck out of it and keep working all the stuff that makes our offense fit the way it does. Hopefully, we will be productive.”

Not going to not run it. Is that better than saying, “hopefully”?

The wavering of conviction was not confined to Carroll.

Answering a question about whether newly activated Mike Davis has a chance to be the lead running back in his Seahawks debut, assistant coach Tom Cable said, “We’re trying to find that, there’s no doubt . . . yeah, we’d love to have a lead running back. Sure.”

Nine games into the season, Seahawks coaches are talking in wishful terms normally heard during mini-camp in May.

Tied for 22nd in the NFL with 3.8 yards per carry, next-to-last with two rushing touchdowns (none from the red zone), the Seahawks are nearly upside down from their usual position.

It’s hardly a mystery — the Seahawks are on their fourth left tackle this season (say hello to Matt Tobin) and the backs are equally debilitated — but as with any good mystery novel, this one seems insoluble for most of the book.

Even for master sleuth Carroll.

“It is frustrating somewhat,” he said. “But I could stick my head in the sand and ignore some stuff too. We got to keep moving and we got to do what we can with our guys. It hasn’t been quite the same.

“We are still moving the football. We are making a lot of first downs, and we can do a lot of damage. I never give up on the fact of trying to balance out your attack.  I think it is the best way to play football. But it is a little bit different.  It hasn’t been as obvious as it has been in the past.”

The injury-induced churn of personnel always hurts worst along the O-line. In the ninth game of season last week, the Seahawks managed 80 yards on 23 attempts. And it looked a little bit like progress.

“We missed a lot,” Cable said. “We blocked some things good. We’re just not connected yet, and I’ve been saying that for a couple of weeks. We have work to do.”

Of Davis, who played two seasons in San Francisco after the 49ers drafted him in the fourth round out of South Carolina, Cable said, “You need someone who understands what they’re seeing, what they’re doing and is connected to the blocking. It all has to fit. Hopefully he can do some of that for us.”

There’s that “hopefully” again.

If Brown’s sprained ankle prevents him from starting, Davis must connect behind Tobin, a fifth-year pro from Iowa who has never made a start at left tackle. His 21 starts have been at guard. And he’s up against Atlanta DE Adrian Clayborn, a former Hawkeyes teammate who became the talk of the NFL world this week after six sacks in the Falcons’ 27-7 win over Dallas.

Cable attempted to be brave, saying Tobin made only one major error after taking over for Brown against Arizona, but it allowed a sack of QB Russell Wilson.

“The rest of the game, he did a really good job, both in the running-game and in pass protection,” Cable said. “I think he’ll be fine. We are planning on him, preparing him like he is going to play, for sure. Like I said when we got him, he is really the perfect swing tackle for an NFL team.

“He’s been there before, so it’s not like a young guy is stepping in and you’re not sure.”

If he’s in there with Davis, it will be newbie behind newbie. Remember, Carroll promised that the Seahawks are “not going to not run it.” He just didn’t say which direction.

Sherman’s surgery successful

Sounds as if CB Richard Sherman made it through his Achilles tendon repair surgery better than Carroll did explaining it. After saying he talked with Sherman on the phone and described him as groggy, Carroll was asked what Sherman sounds like groggy.

“I shouldn’t have said that — darn it,” Carroll said. “He was OK.  He was lucid. I think that is the word. Lucid? Yeah.”

Sherman had surgery performed Tuesday in Green Bay by Dr. Bob Anderson, a noted foot and ankle specialist.

“It went great,” Carroll said. “They were really happy with the way they went about it.  It is going to give him a chance to get back in months, which is really nice.  There is a couple of choices that they can make. They made a choice that was aggressive. I think it worked out well for him, according to the doctors.”

Sherman apparently is eager to get back on the sidelines.

“He has already been very clear,” he said. “He has been adamant about wanting to get back as soon as he can.  I would expect he’ll be back (Friday).  He wants to get around and be close to the guys that he has been working with and make sure that he is available for the guys he has been helping. You saw him on the sidelines (after his injury). He didn’t waste a minute.”

Elsewhere, the most concerning injury problem is the neck stinger to Chancellor, who is still being tested. Carroll said he can’t say yet whether the problem is short term or longer term, or whether he’ll play Monday.

The injury list:



  • 1coolguy

    Until they bring Reece back, they are never going to do any real running this year. I know he didn’t make the final cut, but was he injured? When we picked him up last season the running game turned around immediately.

    • art thiel

      I believe they thought Tre Madden was a a younger, cheaper alternative.

      • 1coolguy

        The run game completely turned around when they picked up Reece late last year. He is an excellent blocker, both run and pass,and receiver, so the defense had to respect him out of the backfield. Big mistake letting him go.
        As to Tre, looks like a case of penny-wise, pound foolish,doesn’t it?

        • art thiel

          Quite the campaign here for Reece. I’ll light the torches, you get the pitchforks, and we’ll storm the castle.

      • Chris Alexander

        I believe they were WRONG.

        To be fair though, we’re on our fourth left tackle and every RB but McKissick has missed snaps due to injury. I’m not sure Reece would have made much difference.

    • DJ

      Loved having Marcel Reese!

    • jafabian

      They need an experienced fullback. The Hawks best years on offense was when there was one in the backfield. From David Sims to John L. Williams to Mack Strong to Michael Robinson the club has been blessed with some great ones. Thought Derrick Coleman would continue that tradition but it wasn’t meant to be. Reese would at least be a reliable safety net for Wilson if the O-Line let someone get thru.

  • John M

    Hopefully . . . Ryan will fall into trance and remember his true calling was pitching horse shoes.

    • art thiel

      I think I’d rather wager on Frank Clark face-planting him.

  • DJ

    Thanks Art
    The next best thing to having Richard Sherman playing will be having him on the sidelines coaching, mentoring, being a great team mate. No matter the composition, the Seahawks are always better when they’re emotionally invested in, and playing for, each other.
    Be your best – GO HAWKS!

    • art thiel

      He was already at practice today. Three days in Green Bay will do that to a guy.

  • Bruce McDermott

    Did not get the same impression regarding Duane Brown. Certainly not enough to say “Duane Brown looks to be out.” Pete is playing the “will take it up to game time” card for a reason other than uncertainty. My own tea leaf reading is that he’ll play. But the OL will be an adventure one way or another.

    • art thiel

      You could be right. It’s clearly not a major sprain if they think he’s even close to ready.

  • woofer

    It’s simple: “not going to not run it” means not preemptively abandoning the run without trying it a couple of times. When you arrive at a grand total of 2 yards on 10 carries, then give it up. Pete always wants to stay positive about the running game, at least until the game starts.

    • art thiel

      I know what he means, I’ve just never heard him say it that way. He actually has no choice but to try, if for no other reason than to set-up play action.

  • ll9956

    The injury list looks pretty grim to me, especially the mystery surrounding Kam’s injury. Not to belabor the obvious, but it sure would be nice to get some of these guys back for Monday.

    • Chris Alexander

      Kam’s injury is of the same nature that Avril’s was/is – a neck “stinger” – and Avril is out for the year and may be looking at retirement in the off-season. I’m hoping the news isn’t as grim with Kam but …. I’m not holding my breath.

  • Chris Alexander

    If Brown can’t play then every single offensive play call better involve Russell taking the snap and instantly running to the right. They guy lining up opposite Tobin had 6 sacks against Dallas last week and he could easily get A DOZEN against us cuz Tobin is … let’s just say “grossly overmatched” and leave it at that.

    Add in the fact that Chancellor is unlikely to play (+ Sherman being out for the season) and it could be a really, really, REALLY long night for us 12s.

    I think we CAN win … but only if we don’t make any mistakes. And if, as mentioned above, Russell takes every snap and immediately runs to the right.

  • Chris Alexander

    Maybe “we’re not going to not run the ball” is really code for “Russell is going to be running for his life and that counts as running so we’re not going to not run the ball.”