If Russell Wilson doesn’t start the Seahawks third exhibition game Friday in Kansas City, it will be an abdication of coach Pete Carroll’s strategy in camp, as well as his coaching beliefs.
Wilson has earned his chance to fail. If he does fail, then we know, for now.
If he doesn’t fail, then he’s earned the right to be part of history — becoming the fourth rookie quarterback from the 2012 draft to open as his pro team’s starter. Already there are three rookies who have been handed the No. 1 job — No. 1 pick Andrew Luck at Indianapolis, No. 2 Robert Griffin III at Washington and No. 22 Brandon Weeden at Cleveland.
Never since the 1970 AFL-NFL merger has a season begun with three rookie QB starters, according to Elias Sports Bureau. Should Ryan Tannehill, the No. 8 pick by Miami, beat out veterans David Garrard and Matt Moore, the Dolphins would add another to the kiddie QB corps.
The most improbable would be Wilson, who graded out well pre-draft in all facets except one — height. At a haircut less than 5-foot-11, he lasted until the third round in April. After the Seahawks took him, Carroll virtually went Gabby Douglas, back-flipping his way through the draft room.
Few understood why. Now it is becoming apparent. Yes, the sample size is two halves of pro football against second- and third-string defenses. But the point is he not only survived, but flourished. Making plays with arm, head and legs, Wilson is justifying Carroll’s controversial decision to divvy up training camp reps in thirds among incumbent Tarvaris Jackson, veteran newcomer Matt Flynn and Wilson.
The truth of Carroll’s competition theme is that in football, a coach has to find the level which a quarterback, or any player, fails to function effectively at his position.
Wilson has looked sufficiently good in his first two exhibitions to earn the chance to flop against the Chiefs facing a first-unit defense.
Flynn has been OK, and somewhat compromised by a temporary absence of first-team talent, as well as dumb penalties Saturday and a 46-yard touchdown pass turned incompletion when Terrell Owens dropped it in the end zone (the shrieks from the I-told-you-so’s across the region registered on the Richter scale: a .01 Least Quake). But Flynn is virtually guaranteed a job, and the Seahawks are fully prepared to trade Jackson in the next couple of weeks, presuming there’s a market.
The small shudder among the coaches regarding Flynn’s performance is that it has lightly resembled Jackson’s biggest weakness — an absence of effectiveness in the red zone. Jackson did most things reasonably well a year ago with the exception of finishing off drives. He knew it, and was hoping to get a chance to show his decision-making has improved with a full season behind him and a full camp ahead of him. It may not happen in Seattle.
At an unusually mature 23 and athletic enough to be a high draft choice in baseball, Wilson acted the past two games as if he owned the joint, knowing when and where to run, unloading the ball out of bounds when needed and showing the stones to match his accuracy in tight windows downfield.
Still, to make the leap to rookie QB starter is way out there in the NFL frontier. Since 2002, 34 QBs have been drafted in the first round, and according to research by Albert Breer of NFL.com, only three were named to start as early as August. And the reason isn’t purely a shortfall of talent and experience.
“I think it was beneficial for him and the rest of the team that way,” Carolina coach Ron Rivera told Breer of waiting until Sept. 1 to name Cam Newton starter last year. “This is my personal opinion, but I didn’t want to have guys see us just giving things to people. We talked about competition at all the other positions, and I wanted to be on point and consistent. But everyone handles things differently.”
Last season, Jackson, a four-year vet, was handed the QB job after the Seahawks cut loose Matt Hasselbeck, but the reduced training time after the lockout virtually mandated a fast decision. That was a one-off circumstance. Then again, choosing Jackson ahead of Charlie Whitehurst wasn’t all that difficult. This time, Carroll virtually forced Russell into the equation that is rare for a third-round pick because the coach had to get his mind to agree with his heart about Wilson.
Carroll needs to start Wilson Friday to provide him the chance for success that would sell him as a starter to a deservedly skeptical locker room. As would be the case with any team, players have favorite QBs, and Jackson was respected by many. Flynn and Wilson are newbies. Even though Flynn has 34 NFL game appearances, only two have been starts, so the resume is not exactly bristling with achievement. The opening is available for Wilson.
As has been much discussed, the Seahawks are staying away from the quarterback-dominated spread offenses that are increasingly popular in the NFL. Under Carroll, the QB is a game manager protected by multiple-tight end, multiple-back sets that count on rushing first, which is working. Nothing so far has suggested that rookie fourth-round running back Robert Turbin, a k a the Turbinator, is much of a dropoff from incumbent Marshawn Lynch.
The fate of Wilson as a rookie starter would be determined by whether the Seahawks can rely on their offensive line, as well as getting tight ends Zach Miller and Kellen Winslow Jr. on the field at the same time. For injury reasons, that hasn’t happened yet. It would also help if someone besides Doug Baldwin becomes a reliable receiver.
Wilson was drafted by a team that doesn’t need a superhero at QB. They just need someone to do the math that gets them from three to six more often. Wilson has shown enough to merit an opportunity to show his computing skills.
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They don’t have to “eat” TJack’s $4m contract, as it’s not guaranteed. That’s the reason why he hasn’t played, to (hopefully) avoid getting hurt and going on IR. I’d rather not juggle the QB situation. Flynn hasn’t done enough to lose it and needs the reps before the season starts. Pre season game three is the dress rehearsal for the regular season, so I’m not down with Art’s chaos theory
Agreed. Whoever starts the third preseason game must be your starter in week 1. This isn’t the time to mess around. The competition has to be over by tomorrow. Flynn needs all the reps he can get, and the team must get behind him as the starter.
‘Chaos Theory’. Good one. But I would say that is a better descriptor of Carrol’s approach to the competition than Art’s commentary. LOL.
Read the comment below regarding the game three custom. It’s already out the window with the three-QB deal. You’re right about the contract being (mostly) non-guaranteed. I think Wilson will have a struggle with No. 1s, and Flynn is currently more likely to do well in the first real game. But Carroll senses something about Wilson that none of us on the outside can’t know. So forget the game 3 habit. Inoperative.
What makes you think Wilson will struggle against the ones? What do you think are his weaknesses?
They don’t have to “eat” TJack’s $4m contract, as it’s not guaranteed. That’s the reason why he hasn’t played, to (hopefully) avoid getting hurt and going on IR. I’d rather not juggle the QB situation. Flynn hasn’t done enough to lose it and needs the reps before the season starts. Pre season game three is the dress rehearsal for the regular season, so I’m not down with Art’s chaos theory
Agreed. Whoever starts the third preseason game must be your starter in week 1. This isn’t the time to mess around. The competition has to be over by tomorrow. Flynn needs all the reps he can get, and the team must get behind him as the starter.
‘Chaos Theory’. Good one. But I would say that is a better descriptor of Carrol’s approach to the competition than Art’s commentary. LOL.
Read the comment below regarding the game three custom. It’s already out the window with the three-QB deal. You’re right about the contract being (mostly) non-guaranteed. I think Wilson will have a struggle with No. 1s, and Flynn is currently more likely to do well in the first real game. But Carroll senses something about Wilson that none of us on the outside can’t know. So forget the game 3 habit. Inoperative.
What makes you think Wilson will struggle against the ones? What do you think are his weaknesses?
I agree completely. I will be very, very disappointed if Wilson doesn’t get a shot to show what he can do against another teams first-string D.
I won’t be shocked to see Flynn start, but Wilson needs to prove or dispel his ability to handle a starting NFL defense at such an early career stage, based on Pete’s unusual belief in him.
I agree completely. I will be very, very disappointed if Wilson doesn’t get a shot to show what he can do against another teams first-string D.
I won’t be shocked to see Flynn start, but Wilson needs to prove or dispel his ability to handle a starting NFL defense at such an early career stage, based on Pete’s unusual belief in him.
Spot on, Art, I hope Pete Carroll listens.
I personally can’t wait to see Wilson run the 1st unit. He’s looking great so far, quick on his feet, good decisions, bullet passes downfield, confident.
And, we’re not alone. Here’s the results of a Seattle Times poll asking the question which Seahawk players or units have stood out so far in pre-season:
Matt Flynn 7.69% (23 votes)
Russell Wilson 67.89% (203 votes)
Marshawn Lynch 3.34% (10 votes)
Seahawks pass defense 21.07% (63 votes)
Total Votes: 299
Carroll knows better, Obi, than to play to popular sentiment, but he’s always been a risk-taker in personnel. I’ve never seen him in Seattle quite as jacked about a single player as Wilson. Might make him a fool, but he lessens that chance with a start of Wilson.
Spot on, Art, I hope Pete Carroll listens.
I personally can’t wait to see Wilson run the 1st unit. He’s looking great so far, quick on his feet, good decisions, bullet passes downfield, confident.
And, we’re not alone. Here’s the results of a Seattle Times poll asking the question which Seahawk players or units have stood out so far in pre-season:
Matt Flynn 7.69% (23 votes)
Russell Wilson 67.89% (203 votes)
Marshawn Lynch 3.34% (10 votes)
Seahawks’ pass defense 21.07% (63 votes)
Total Votes: 299
Carroll knows better, Obi, than to play to popular sentiment, but he’s always been a risk-taker in personnel. I’ve never seen him in Seattle quite as jacked about a single player as Wilson. Might make him a fool, but he lessens that chance with a start of Wilson.
Flynn didn’t come here to be a back up. Obviously, he is not being given the job but has earned the right to get the first start of the season. They have not had one game w the offense at full strength & I think the team would benefit from some consistency. They are grooming Wilson & he will no doubt get his chance during the season. If they start Wilson & he gets hurt due to his style I hope we have a ready & motivated Flynn ready to step in. Ultimately, they will be OK w either…
They signed Flynn as FA because he was an upgrade, and didn’t anticipate the availability of Wilson, who has done things Carroll could not have anticipated — and not just in games. They wouldn’t have done the reps in thirds if they didn’t want to at least give Wilson a fair shot, and that includes playing him with the ones.
Wilson will start this week and will continue his great play. Flynn isnt quick in the pocket just like jackson and has taken too many sacks though he is clearly better than Jackson. Flynn has only started 2 regular season games and really shouldnt deserve to start over Wilson due to his experience alone. The on the field performance should be the deciding factor. Flynn wouldnt have moved the offense like Wilson did! Wilson had no protection or talent with the 3 and 4th stringers. I have watched all the Seahawk games since 76 and I have never been so excited about our Qb situation. Wilson just has that rythem with the offense that I havent seen since occasionally with Hass. I feel confident in Wilsons ability to run the offense even when he is getting no protection. Denvers D was playing great and Wilson frusterated them…he literally ate them up and spit em out! Wilson will be a star for the Seahawks he has the heart, mentality, and athleticism and that star or it factor.
Dont think I dont like Flynn cause I do but Wilson is just so much better at this point that I think it would be foolish to start Flynn over Wilson when most of coach Carols personel moves have been awsome but the QB personel moves have been disappointing until drafting Wilson.
Flynn didn’t come here to be a back up. Obviously, he is not being given the job but has earned the right to get the first start of the season. They have not had one game w the offense at full strength & I think the team would benefit from some consistency. They are grooming Wilson & he will no doubt get his chance during the season. If they start Wilson & he gets hurt due to his style I hope we have a ready & motivated Flynn ready to step in. Ultimately, they will be OK w either…
They signed Flynn as FA because he was an upgrade, and didn’t anticipate the availability of Wilson, who has done things Carroll could not have anticipated — and not just in games. They wouldn’t have done the reps in thirds if they didn’t want to at least give Wilson a fair shot, and that includes playing him with the ones.
Wilson will start this week and will continue his great play. Flynn isnt quick in the pocket just like jackson and has taken too many sacks though he is clearly better than Jackson. Flynn has only started 2 regular season games and really shouldnt deserve to start over Wilson due to his experience alone. The on the field performance should be the deciding factor. Flynn wouldnt have moved the offense like Wilson did! Wilson had no protection or talent with the 3 and 4th stringers. I have watched all the Seahawk games since 76 and I have never been so excited about our Qb situation. Wilson just has that rythem with the offense that I havent seen since occasionally with Hass. I feel confident in Wilsons ability to run the offense even when he is getting no protection. Denvers D was playing great and Wilson frusterated them…he literally ate them up and spit em out! Wilson will be a star for the Seahawks he has the heart, mentality, and athleticism and that star or it factor.
Dont think I dont like Flynn cause I do but Wilson is just so much better at this point that I think it would be foolish to start Flynn over Wilson when most of coach Carols personel moves have been awsome but the QB personel moves have been disappointing until drafting Wilson.
Coach Bubbles (you got to love PC) has to walk his talk and give Wilson time with the first unit. The kid has earned the opportunity
Odd situation, but Carroll wanted it, so he has to follow through,
Coach Bubbles (you got to love PC) has to walk his talk and give Wilson time with the first unit. The kid has earned the opportunity
Odd situation, but Carroll wanted it, so he has to follow through,
Have to agree Art! I was in the get some-reps-and-continuity-for-Flynn camp until last night. Wilson looks awesome, and individual performance aside, the timing for the whole team looks better when he’s in. Even if the hawks went 500 this season they would be a blast to watch with him in control.
It is interesting to consider however that if 1. TO caught the perfectly thrown TD pass from Flynn and if 2. Wilson’s horribly underthrown TD catch against the Titans had turned out differently, this controversy would not have nearly as much legs.
Lots of if-thens in exhibition play, but when you do QBs in threes there’s never enough game or pratice time for thorough evals. Carroll is definitely out there in this one because Flynn will take it hard if he is a backup AGAIN, even if he gets starter’s money. I think they will go with Flynn against AZ, but it will get wild if Wilson lights it up vs. KC.
Flynn has been playing football his entire life and should be used to the idea that someone can come in and take over his job, by now. The talk about him being negatively affected by that shouldn’t be as much of an issue. He needs to come in and demand the job with his performance and he hasn’t been horrible, but he wasn’t good on Saturday either. It’s life as a professional athelete. If he doesn’t prove himself, he knows it’s on him.
Flynn has spent a lot of his football life in college and the NFL on the sidelines watching someone else play quarterback. Everyone refers to his playing behind Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay, but how about being the Peach Bowl MVP as a soph for LSU as an emergency starter and then going back to holding the clipboard as a junior while JaMarcus Russell started the next season?
One of the intangibles that Matt Flynn brings is an inordinate amount of patience with a willingness to be quiet when things don’t go his way. Whatever Carroll decides on his QB situation, don’t expect Flynn to complain if Wilson is picked as the starter. That’s just not his way.
Have to agree Art! I was in the get some-reps-and-continuity-for-Flynn camp until last night. Wilson looks awesome, and individual performance aside, the timing for the whole team looks better when he’s in. Even if the hawks went 500 this season they would be a blast to watch with him in control.
It is interesting to consider however that if 1. TO caught the perfectly thrown TD pass from Flynn and if 2. Wilson’s horribly underthrown TD catch against the Titans had turned out differently, this controversy would not have nearly as much legs.
Lots of if-thens in exhibition play, but when you do QBs in threes there’s never enough game or pratice time for thorough evals. Carroll is definitely out there in this one because Flynn will take it hard if he is a backup AGAIN, even if he gets starter’s money. I think they will go with Flynn against AZ, but it will get wild if Wilson lights it up vs. KC.
Flynn has been playing football his entire life and should be used to the idea that someone can come in and take over his job, by now. The talk about him being negatively affected by that shouldn’t be as much of an issue. He needs to come in and demand the job with his performance and he hasn’t been horrible, but he wasn’t good on Saturday either. It’s life as a professional athelete. If he doesn’t prove himself, he knows it’s on him.
Flynn has spent a lot of his football life in college and the NFL on the sidelines watching someone else play quarterback. Everyone refers to his playing behind Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay, but how about being the Peach Bowl MVP as a soph for LSU as an emergency starter and then going back to holding the clipboard as a junior while JaMarcus Russell started the next season?
One of the intangibles that Matt Flynn brings is an inordinate amount of patience with a willingness to be quiet when things don’t go his way. Whatever Carroll decides on his QB situation, don’t expect Flynn to complain if Wilson is picked as the starter. That’s just not his way.
Why not? It’s still a preseason game and, no, you don’t have to have your starters named with two games to play before they start counting. That’s why it’s called a competition. Let’s see what Wilson can do with the first unit next weekend at KC. If he’s not ready, plug Flynn back in and call him your season-opening starter.
I realize that NFL custom is to go with your ones in the third fake game, but is not customary to put a third-rounder into competition with two veterans. Customs are not rules. It’s like the nonsense about having broadcasters not discuss a no-hitter in progress. That isn’t in the Constitution, the Magna Carta or J.P. Patches Clean Plate Club. Carroll may be nuts, but he’s got to play the hand.
Why not? It’s still a preseason game and, no, you don’t have to have your starters named with two games to play before they start counting. That’s why it’s called a competition. Let’s see what Wilson can do with the first unit next weekend at KC. If he’s not ready, plug Flynn back in and call him your season-opening starter.
I realize that NFL custom is to go with your ones in the third fake game, but is not customary to put a third-rounder into competition with two veterans. Customs are not rules. It’s like the nonsense about having broadcasters not discuss a no-hitter in progress. That isn’t in the Constitution, the Magna Carta or J.P. Patches Clean Plate Club. Carroll may be nuts, but he’s got to play the hand.
Gotta go with Flynn Art. I think Flynn has looked slightly better than Wilson, and he has the advantage of some experience versus being straight out of college. Got to go with Flynn until Flynn proves to make bad decisions. Saturday, I believe he was the victim of having to play the first quarter with T.O; otherwise his numbers would have looked much better.
The misconnections with TO were a mixed bag. The first back shoulder throw wasn’t a good choice because the CB wasn’t over-pursuing, that’s why TO went for the back of the endzone where he was wide open. There were other routes that he ran wrong but 3/5 were bad throws or decisions by Flynn and the other 2 were on TO. They were all miscommunications but it wasn’t all TO. You have to hold Flynn to some of them.
TO did drop that wide open TD pass. I’ll give you that though. Had he caught that, it would look a bit different, but I think Wilson would’ve made more out of the first broken pockets and wouldn’t have held the ball as long as Flynn.
Gotta go with Flynn Art. I think Flynn has looked slightly better than Wilson, and he has the advantage of some experience versus being straight out of college. Got to go with Flynn until Flynn proves to make bad decisions. Saturday, I believe he was the victim of having to play the first quarter with T.O; otherwise his numbers would have looked much better.
The misconnections with TO were a mixed bag. The first back shoulder throw wasn’t a good choice because the CB wasn’t over-pursuing, that’s why TO went for the back of the endzone where he was wide open. There were other routes that he ran wrong but 3/5 were bad throws or decisions by Flynn and the other 2 were on TO. They were all miscommunications but it wasn’t all TO. You have to hold Flynn to some of them.
TO did drop that wide open TD pass. I’ll give you that though. Had he caught that, it would look a bit different, but I think Wilson would’ve made more out of the first broken pockets and wouldn’t have held the ball as long as Flynn.
Why does everyone keep on making the Flynn-didn’t-have-all-his-weapons excuse? Wilson doesn’t either. Yes, he’s playing against the second unit defense, but with the talent of his second unit offense. And doesn’t that level the playing field? Or, is there some little known rule that the second unit offense is always superior to the other team’s second unit defense?
In this league, where the competition is fierce and the difference between a win and a loss often comes down to a play or two, Wilson is far more dynamic of the two, and deserves a chance to state his case.
Flynn plays, in practice, with the starting first-teamers. He gets 2nd teamers in-game. Wilson practices with 2nd and 3rd teamers. He gets 2nd and 3rd teamers in-game. That’s the problem.
Why does everyone keep on making the Flynn-didn’t-have-all-his-weapons excuse? Wilson doesn’t either. Yes, he’s playing against the second unit defense, but with the talent of his second unit offense. And doesn’t that level the playing field? Or, is there some little known rule that the second unit offense is always superior to the other team’s second unit defense?
In this league, where the competition is fierce and the difference between a win and a loss often comes down to a play or two, Wilson is far more dynamic of the two, and deserves a chance to state his case.
Flynn plays, in practice, with the starting first-teamers. He gets 2nd teamers in-game. Wilson practices with 2nd and 3rd teamers. He gets 2nd and 3rd teamers in-game. That’s the problem.
So Flynn – the likely regular season starter – then plays the second half being protected by 2nd and 3rd stringers. That would be really intelligent.
The first string didn’t protect him well, according to Carroll, so what’s the difference?
I believe that Flynn will be the starting QB on opening day and thus needs to start and play the first half on Friday. I’m impressed so far by Wilson, but I cannot see going with a rookie QB to start the season. Our defense isn’t THAT good yet.
So Flynn – the likely regular season starter – then plays the second half being protected by 2nd and 3rd stringers. That would be really intelligent.
The first string didn’t protect him well, according to Carroll, so what’s the difference?
I believe that Flynn will be the starting QB on opening day and thus needs to start and play the first half on Friday. I’m impressed so far by Wilson, but I cannot see going with a rookie QB to start the season. Our defense isn’t THAT good yet.
start Flynn, as soon as he goes down, Wilson won’t relinquish the job. #12thMan
If that’s the case, then why not start him now? The idea that Matt Flynn would lose the job to Wilson and never get it back if he were to get injured, should right away say that Wilson should be in now. Why wait for an injury?
start Flynn, as soon as he goes down, Wilson won’t relinquish the job. #12thMan
If that’s the case, then why not start him now? The idea that Matt Flynn would lose the job to Wilson and never get it back if he were to get injured, should right away say that Wilson should be in now. Why wait for an injury?
The thought of starting Flynn over Wilson is intriguing, but there is no way the Hawks should eat a 3-year, $26-million contract before allowing Flynn a chance to start a meaningful game. Giving Wilson a year to learn the system from the sidelines will only help his career down the road. Let’s remember that Flynn has only started a pair of games. If memory serves me correctly, it took the most successful quarterback in Seahawks history almost a full season before he looked NFL ready.
No reason to jump ship on the Bayou sensation just yet.
“Only” $10 million of that contract is guaranteed, Adam, so the Hawks aren’t on the hook for the other $16 million. Yes, his contract does give Flynn an advantage over Wilson as far as Paul Allen and his accountants are concerned, but Pete Carroll isn’t a CPA. He’ll go with whoever he thinks he can win with.
The thought of starting Flynn over Wilson is intriguing, but there is no way the Hawks should eat a 3-year, $26-million contract before allowing Flynn a chance to start a meaningful game. Giving Wilson a year to learn the system from the sidelines will only help his career down the road. Let’s remember that Flynn has only started a pair of games. If memory serves me correctly, it took the most successful quarterback in Seahawks history almost a full season before he looked NFL ready.
No reason to jump ship on the Bayou sensation just yet.
“Only” $10 million of that contract is guaranteed, Adam, so the Hawks aren’t on the hook for the other $16 million. Yes, his contract does give Flynn an advantage over Wilson as far as Paul Allen and his accountants are concerned, but Pete Carroll isn’t a CPA. He’ll go with whoever he thinks he can win with.